Curse

Fay Vert · Apr 13, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Jack Valmont

It was probably something like +16 Beast Mastery (with Mask), +15 Expertise (with Mask), and +9-10 Smiting Spells with the rest on Wilderness Survival. You have it pay around with them a bit. You need at least +7 to +8 Regen on Troll.

This build is nowhere near possible. It takes 97 attribute points hit level 12 so if you do it in two lines, +16 Beast Mastery (with Mask), +15 Expertise (with Mask), then you are left with SIX atribute points and you are not going to get anywhere near 9-10 Smiting spells, let alone have Wilderness Survival up in the +7-+8 Trolls level!

It's absolutely nothing like this build.

kicks66 · Apr 13, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

so this works if you just use whirling defense (no mark of pain or symbol of wrath)?

hobbitshd · Apr 13, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

this works fine...

attributes: NOT SURE but i know the follwing damage points for sure:
whirling does 9 damage, extinction does 50, and mark of pain does 20
i think it is (obviously swapping to raise the beast mast when laying spirit)

b mast 15 (when laying eoe)
exp 9
curse 5
wild surv- whatever is left

oath shot
mark of pain
troll ungent
extinction
dodge
dryders
whirling
throw dirt

i do it a little different..

i put the spirit as far/close to the grawl i am killing as i can - a little further up than the OP.

eoe, dodge... run over behind hill and cast troll ungent.. use dryders after dodge runs out....

at about bottom of hill (or so, when dryders ends) hit whirling and get to the spot on top of hill...

hit tab, throw dirt on nearest, tab again - mark of pain...
tab - oath shot...

whirling again, tab - mark of pain...

troll ungent

this should take out most of the grawls, some of the crones will have a little health left, so head over to them and use the end of whirling / dryders until you can oath shot - then whirling (possibly mark of pain again on a crone) and that should put an end to it.

i have done this tons of times since reading this post.
at the start if the ele, pekpek(or something), is there, i go one hill short of her - kill most before the ele aggros .

i did the same with the necro, forget the name and ranger, pippip.

after doing this a lot, i find this works best with all the bosses, as the actual boss heads over once most of the damage is already done. it should be cake with the warrior and the monk boss usually stays at range and might heal one or two.

hope this helps,
feel free to message me in game, mention this and i will be glad to help/show you if you would like.

ign = bobby bilbo

ps- just saw the video a few posts above. i have been trying to get a few marks of pain up there as well. that really kills them fast! :-)

-dodge does basically nothing to stop any attacks from hitting. it does get you into a position to aggro (and use dryders) the most grawl.
-using dryders has the best effect for 'dodging' attacks while aggroing.
-i usually only use throw dirt once.

i am gonna try using dryders and get another mark of pain up after oath shot and see how that works.

as for the drops, golds are pretty rare here, i have found. i would say one in about 3-4 successful eoe bombs. usually a major rune or a staff with a high req. THIS IS JUST MY EXPERIENCE! but it is usually over 1k in items a successful run - dont sell the intricate necklaces - trade them and sell the staff you get for 125g - vs. 40g for the necklaces.

kicks66 · Apr 13, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

i just need it for exp really, i cant find any other good way and i need skill points

Jack Valmont · Apr 13, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

I'm making my video of this. It should be done within the next week or so if my video editing skills are still as good as they used to be.

Fay Vert · Apr 14, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Here's one I did earlier

Ninja OniX · Apr 14, 2006, 04:04 AM // 04:04

about that video earlier.......................when i do this farm right now, the bosses screws me up big time. And eoe cant kill the crawl casters, i need help. Not sure if i need more crawl following or what.

that video is too old because holy wrath has cast time now.

Jack Valmont · Apr 14, 2006, 09:20 AM // 09:20

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Here's one I did earlier

Hehe. That's funny as hell.

Jack Valmont · Apr 14, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Here is a Instructional video that uses one of my sloppier runs.

Just because, well, we can't all be perfect. Enjoy it.

http://63.246.154.36/~matthewd/GrawlGenocide.wmv

Dr. Fire · Apr 14, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Nice build for Grawl farming, but I for one have pretty much stopped doing a lot of farming. I still give it an occasional go just for the fun of it, but it isn't really worth much since Arena.net has been nerfing farming. After a few times through an area they nerf your drops and the time wasted, for me anyway, outweigh the quality of drops.

Jack Valmont · Apr 15, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja OniX

about that video earlier.......................when i do this farm right now, the bosses screws me up big time. And eoe cant kill the crawl casters, i need help. Not sure if i need more crawl following or what.

that video is too old because holy wrath has cast time now.

In my video, I just hit Whirling Defences again and kill the Grawl casters by running down the hill. If they are in range of the Edge of Extinction Spirit, they should die rather quickly.

Fay Vert · Apr 15, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

That is a good idea. Quite a few times, there aren't quite enough hammers to trigger the mass extinction. Going down to the crones to hit them with some medicine is a lovely simple solution to the tidy-up problem.

winkgood · Apr 16, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

The only problem I see with these videos is that the creators of them picked occassions where they had a perfect spawn and the grawl behaved exactly the way they wanted them to. This is very often not the case as the grawl will sometimes run away and stop attacking you completely. There are several other scenerios I find happen very often.

Here's my video with a more realistic scenerio:

Low Quality (8 megs)
http://files.filefront.com/Queef_Pwn.../fileinfo.html

High Quality (30 megs)
http://files.filefront.com/Queef_Pwn.../fileinfo.html

My favorite part is at the end when the two crones come from the other side of them map and cut my victory dance short

Jack Valmont · Apr 16, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

That's as close to what really happens. I've seen this build done about 4 different ways now. In the end, it really depends on the Grawl to Grawl Crones ratio. You need at least 8 Grawl (8 x 50 = 400 Health) and then at least 8-10 Grawl (400 to 500 Health) for a total of 800 to 1000 Damage to every damn, dirty Grawl in the area. Of course, it's usually up to 1500-2000 damage.

I've overanalyzed this to the point of insanity.

P!zza · Apr 17, 2006, 12:14 PM // 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by winkgood

The only problem I see with these videos is that the creators of them picked occassions where they had a perfect spawn and the grawl behaved exactly the way they wanted them to. This is very often not the case as the grawl will sometimes run away and stop attacking you completely. There are several other scenerios I find happen very often.

Here's my video with a more realistic scenerio:

Low Quality (8 megs)
http://files.filefront.com/Queef_Pwn.../fileinfo.html

High Quality (30 megs)
http://files.filefront.com/Queef_Pwn.../fileinfo.html

My favorite part is at the end when the two crones come from the other side of them map and cut my victory dance short

That's the way I do it too... but do you switch to WS mask or Expertise mask? Because if you use WS, Dryders Defense is better than Lightning reflexes. And the two Crones always come to me when I farm.. Has to be some bug in their KI

And I find that your (Jack Valmont) analysis is exaggerating. Even if you have only 7 Grawls, you can walk to the Crones with Whirling Defense on and kill them by hand

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winkgood · Apr 17, 2006, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by P!zza

That's the way I do it too... but do you switch to WS mask or Expertise mask? Because if you use WS, Dryders Defense is better than Lightning reflexes. And the two Crones always come to me when I farm.. Has to be some bug in their KI

And I find that your (Jack Valmont) analysis is exaggerating. Even if you have only 7 Grawls, you can walk to the Crones with Whirling Defense on and kill them by hand

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The question of whether to use lightning reflexes or dryders defense probably depends on how much WS you use. I only use 6 WS and instead use 14 expertise (with the expertise mask on). The mask switch you saw was me switching from BM to Expertise. I like 14 expertise because then whirling is doing 11 dmg and lasts much longer. I've seen a lot of builds which use more WS for the troll unguent but the way I farm is not worrying so much about healing or defense, but worry about killing them quickly so I don't have to do a lot of healing. 6 WS is more than enough to counter the effects of poison or life siphon.

P!zza · Apr 17, 2006, 12:42 PM // 12:42

Well, I have 14 WS, that is +10 health regen from Troll Unguent. This of yourse means that my expertise is very low and my curses are only at 2, but I tend to find that it is enough dmg...

And the reason I choose Dryders is that it gives a chance on armor against Elemental Damage, which is what the crones are doing (Cold-Damage I believe)

Jack Valmont · Apr 17, 2006, 01:12 PM // 13:12

As long as you have Whirling to about +8 Damage, it should be enough to kill them off. But then you have to remember to make sure you have enough Crones to do it.

8 x 5 = 45 damage to each Grawl each on each Barrage the Grawl Crones throw at you.

Then there is Mark Of Pain...and so on and I need to stop thinking about this now.

Fay Vert · Apr 17, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by winkgood

The only problem I see with these videos is that the creators of them picked occassions where they had a perfect spawn and the grawl behaved exactly the way they wanted them to. This is very often not the case as the grawl will sometimes run away and stop attacking you completely. There are several other scenerios I find happen very often.

I completely agree, I think this run is over-sold.

My main problem is that often there are just not enough grawls around to trigger the mass extinction. That and sometimes there are just too many and I get to the top of the hill with good health, WD up, trolls up, trow dirt, and then die as I not ice I have about twice as many around me as i was expecting.

The under-spawn can be dealt with by going back to the crones to finish them, something I hadn't considered doing before. The over-spawn can be countered by only going up the first hill and avoid the boss (also solves the ele boss spawn problem).

I currently do about 1 in 4 totally successfully, not counting the times when you have to rezone because there are grawl on the EoE drop site. With practice I am sure I can get it higher. But having done it enough times to "tick" that one off, I haven't bothered with it since. The drops are poor and trapping trolls is a lot easier. Ice imp/golem farming is probably more profitable in both cash and XP.

The truth about Grawl Bombing:

Hard to "learn" (not to panic)
Hard to do reliably (spawn dependant)
Poor for farming cash
Good for farming XP
Possibly the most impressive thing you can video

jimmyhats · Apr 19, 2006, 10:50 AM // 10:50

pretty much this exact build was posted in Nov 05 by Peligro Puro on gameamp

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